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A serious access precedent is currently unfolding in QLD that could well affect other areas in Australia without serious support from climbers around Australia (we need numbers to give strength to the voice).
In a nutshell, a new sport climbing area was developed (QLD's steepest crag), it was in a spot no other users would ever see or know about, and a very unique site for climbing. National Parks found out about the site and fined 4 key climbers $375 each, they also have ordered them to remove all bolts by Aug 31st or face a $6000 fine each!! If this is not challenged by climbers Australia-wide why wouldn't they move this approach to other sites.
The GOAL of the QLD Climbers Alliance is:
"to gain formal recognition of the needs of climbers by major landmanagers in QLD."
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10 Comments
Gareth Llewellin
Here's a photo of the cave. It would be a shame to lose this area.
http://www.chockstone.org/QLD/FlinderPeak/Members/GarethL/LikeAManOnPepperoni1l.jpg
Sally Jamison
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it was in a spot no other users would ever see or know about
Not the point, Adz ...
I say good on the National Parks for doing their job, of preserving the geo-morphologically significant sites in Australia...wether those sites r obscure or not ...
Locking ppl in a cellar for years where others '...would (n)ever see or know about ...' , doesn't make it right, eh ...
fined 4 key climbers $375 each, they also have ordered them to remove all bolts by Aug 31st or face a $6000 fine each
I would like to see National Parks take the same action against the ppl who desecrated the once magnificent sweep of granite , now known as the Star Factory ...
Adz... you should be encouraging the MORAL-development of the new generation ... not just their tick-list-consumerism...
Cheers
Sally
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Adam Donoghue AUTHOR
Happy to enter into discussion with any real people with real ideas, not with you 'Sally'?
Ash Gibb
from what I've heard/read sally has been banned off numerous climbing sites world wide for making stories up.. eg. totem pole collapsing in tassie.. climbers stick together not against each other, good on the guys for this effort, we dont distroy, we enjoy.. maybe the publish in crux¿¿?? was the killer or a society afraid of unknown, without spots like these, us climbers would lead a boring life, at least they did their best in preserving the area, even if it was a u.s bombing target you'd think it still would be behind army/airforce grounds not inviting the public.. I say climb and climb like never before
Sally Jamison
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ICH '...SETZE GESCHICHTEN ZUSAMMEN...' !!!???!!!
Wie steht's mit diesem dummen Amerikaner, Josh Higgins!!!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=609778
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Gareth Llewellin
Du setze HINTERBACKEN zusammen...
Sally Jamison
Simon Young
thats pretty crazy!! could set a very bad precedence! is there any particular reason they've suddenly thrown the book regardign this area?? considering how many bolts are already in NP's around the place it seems odd to kick up a fuss now! those guys have my full support, what a shitty thing to have to go through! i hope the bolt police dont come to tassie, garry will have to mortgage the house!! haha
Adam Donoghue AUTHOR
Hey Simon
yeh its a pretty full on development. No reason that this place has drawn more attention, I think it was just unlucky for the guys involved and a particular person in NP that has pushed it further than before.
There has just been a positive development for the climbers tho, NP have withdrawn the request to pull the bolts, they realised that it may put the climbers at risk in doing the bolt pulling, so they have withdrawn due to liability risk. Good outcome! Tho the personal fines still stand, and its now uncertain as to whether climbing will be allowed, so it will be good to nut out a long term solution with the land managers there.
Sally Jamison
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considering how many bolts are already in NP's around the place it seems odd to kick up a fuss now
That's WHY they SHOULD , ' kick up a fuss '
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